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- ConfluenceFarms December 2017
- OndowaStables December 2017
- ParadiseValley December 2017
- SummertreeFarms December 2017
Frame Breeding
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If a stallion has FF and the mare has frame but it’s ff, will that result in a lethal foal?Home of the Valley Warmbloods.
Line in progress: Snowflakes
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The FFs aren't frame. They are Flaxen. Frame is O lw or OlwOlw (in the case of Freaky Friday horses). Flaxen needs ff to show and FF means it will not show.
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The F in the gene results is not frame, it is flaxen. Flaxen is recessive so ff gives a red based horse a flaxen mane and tail.
Frame is Olw (for overo lethal white). OO is non-frame and safe to breed to frame horses. OOlw (or OlwO) is heterozygous frame and has a 25% chance of producing a lethal homozygous frame foal when bred to another frame horse. The only homozygous frmae horses are the RS Freaky Friday and possibly some that have been GMTed for it. If you breed one of these homozygous frame horses to a het frame horse, you have a 50% chance of a dead foal.
Breeding high quality Sheldasen horses. Liver chestnut, DP mushroom, and rose gray riding horses. Dun cobs with all the patterns. Watercolor, Wrong Warp and ice on mixed body types.
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Oh, thanks that makes sense! Lol I feel dumb!Home of the Valley Warmbloods.
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Oh heavens, don't feel dumb! I think it took 3-4 years before I even STARTED to understand it and I STILL don't get the appaloosa ones!
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Axiom Green
Chinchilla
Rainbow Riot Nacre
Dun Factor Promoter One
Appaloosa Spot Regulator 1
Phantom Critter Tracks
Phantom Bird Tracks
12/8/2025 7:05 AM EST
New Gene: Skewed Appaloosa
Available until the end of December. Full information on the forums.
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