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- Ammit September 2016
- Brillant Acres September 2016
- Cheers September 2016
- KerredansCorral September 2016
What is Sooty?
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I have 2 horses that have this? I don't understand the genetics to this? I have read the genetics info and still don't understand.
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=542928
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=542925 -
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Like Ammit said, it makes the horses darker. There are 3 genes in the game for sooty.
SS - means no sooty
SSty or StyS means that the horse only has one sooty gene.
StySty means that they are homozygous for sooty.
Then there is S+ or as we know it as Sooty Plus, which is a extra dark sooty, that can only be bought, in the Gene Mod Treatment section, and can only be put on foundations at the time you buy it. It can be passed down to the foals, which is how your horses have it.
Both of your horses you show have it, but they have it with a non-sooty gene (S+S), so they are not as dark as some can be. It is also hard to see on black, because it is already dark.
A horse with S+S+ is the darkest a horse can be with sooty.
I don't have the time to show pictures, as I'm heading off to work, but I imagine other people will chime in with more info for you.
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So, there are two different genes that can darken a horse's coat, sooty and DP or Dense Pheomelanin.
DP makes red hairs darker red and is involved in making liver chestnuts and chocolate palominos but will also show on bays, brown, other red colors and wild bay.
Sooty has 3 possible alleles--S, Ssty and S+. S is the non-dark version, Ssty is dark and S+ is even darker. Sooty seems to act by increasing the number of black hairs in the coat, thus darkening the overall appearance of the coat. S+ May also add an interesting mottled dapple appearance to the coat.
As mentioned already, S+ and the other darkening alleles don't really show up on black non-dilute coats. They may be more noticeable when your black horse carries a diluting gene like silver. This guy is an example.
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=382793
The 3 sooty alleles are co-dominant. This means that a SS horse is the lightest, then SSsty, then Ssty Ssty. S+S+ is the darkest of the possible combinations, buy Ssty S+ will be darker than SS+.
In a gene with normal dominant-recessive alleles, SS+ would look the same as S+S+, a little like a bay horse that is Aa looks the same as AA.
Ok, it's 3am and that appears to be as much coherence as I have to offer you! If that doesn't make sense, please ask further questions! Also remember the Horse Search is your friend. If you go to the search there are 3 tabs--Key Filters, Base Color and Patterns. The sooty alleles are under base color, so try playing around there with different combinations and see what the same base color can look like with different degrees of darkness!
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Ok thank you all.














